Revision Trolling Report

Eve~ · **Posted:** Fri Sep 14, 2012 8:31 am

Ryu lost items when Reason was banned and they're friends, so I'm not sure what to think of his opinion.

Revi said himself that we should permanently silence him, as well as point out he knew he was trolling. It seems clear to me he's just going to try and be a tad bit sneakier the next time he misbehaves.
Which might not take that long...

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As for the rules, it doesn't say users can be banned for a week for trolling in the small list, but it does a bit further up on the line (2.1) that pertains to trolling itself. I know they're trying to push the limit by being literal with the rules, but let's not bite.

As the rules are written, though:
3.1 - You are Kicked if infringing the offenses stated in rules
2.1, 2.2, 2.3, 2.4 and 2.5.
If you get kicked three times a GM will ban you. It can take more or less kicks depending of the offense and the GM discretion.

As I see it, given the amount of complaints; usual behavior; unwillingness to comply and stop when asked to, both on the forum and on the server; their rather disgusting habit of trying to get other players into trouble or straight out banned; and the fact they always pointlessly argue when we ask them to do something or give them a chance is why they need a good time off.
The rules are general guidelines, so we do have some leeway depending on the case. I don't think it should be permanent, but I don't want to have to deal with their shit for a few months, either.

As for the Maids of Orac team, I told DGM straight up that it was considered a mockery, but he refused to disband it. Aura was there, and I'm certain Alukard was told about it all. DGM came back on another account, as you've probably read, to ask me why I didn't ask others to leave the team. My response was "we'll disband it", but I didn't think it would take this long to happen. My bad. However, given that they know about it, their decision to remain on the team, in my opinion, is essentially nothing more than one made in order to continue on with the mocking.
"Hey, your team is a troll one, please disband it." "No, it's a tribute." "Nope, disband it or take some time off." "Nope." "kbai".
If they weren't motivated by bad intentions, they would have left it already. All they do is troll, belittle others, and do TA, so yeah, just looks bad for them to stay on it.

On a sidenote, Cranberry said in another thread that "we know the TA records were made with hacks"... Does that mean we should take a look at their banks, as well? They keep accusing others of having dupes and hacks, but what about themselves?

Kamui S. · **Posted:** Fri Sep 14, 2012 8:48 am

I totally agree on all you said. I'm pretty sure that if we grant Revision another chance he'll just start trolling again.
I mean, don't get me wrong, I believe every person can change their behaviour, but I seriously have doubts about him...

So... regarding MoO, what are we going to do with Alukard and Aura? Ban them for a week or warn them first (again)?

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On a sidenote, Cranberry said in another thread that "we know the TA records were made with hacks"... Does that mean we should take a look at their banks, as well? They keep accusing others of having dupes and hacks, but what about themselves?

Hacks could also mean they used trainers or cheat engine though, are we able to see that in an account check as well?

Eve~ · **Posted:** Fri Sep 14, 2012 8:53 am

Kamui S. wrote:

I totally agree on all you said. I'm pretty sure that if we grant Revision another chance he'll just start trolling again.
I mean, don't get me wrong, I believe every person can change their behaviour, but I seriously have doubts about him...

So... regarding MoO, what are we going to do with Alukard and Aura? Ban them for a week or warn them first (again)?

Eh, I suppose we can ask them like I asked DGM. See how they behave. I'd consider it a second warn, as well. They've been involved in enough situations, too, so if they still refuse, I suppose a week off on those accounts might make them understand. Or not.

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On a sidenote, Cranberry said in another thread that "we know the TA records were made with hacks"... Does that mean we should take a look at their banks, as well? They keep accusing others of having dupes and hacks, but what about themselves?

Hacks could also mean they used trainers or cheat engine though, are we able to see that in an account check as well?

Well, yeah, but I wasn't suggesting we find the trainers they could have used, but rather the unusually high-hit items. =P

Kamui S. · **Posted:** Fri Sep 14, 2012 9:01 am

Eve~ wrote:

Well, yeah, but I wasn't suggesting we find the trainers they could have used, but rather the unusually high-hit items. =P

Oh, lol, yeah. You're right, no objections.^^

MIURETH · **Posted:** Fri Sep 14, 2012 4:51 pm

keep them permanently banned, they were causing so many troubles around, if the kicks/bans with warnings in the server as well as the bans/warnings in the forum altogether are not enough to make them stop the trolling/hating and the attacks against others. then there is not other choice than permaban them des not matter if they uses some points in the rules as shield exploiting some gaps in the lines, at the end these gaps in there can be covered acting at our own discretion.

i don't think is possible to detect in an accurate way if a player is using a trainer while its account is being checked, unless, like yourself said, the account shows high hit items and unobtainable things, however we can use the pso bb legit pics and the TA topic pics to discover if someone is using any trainer to abuse of things like:

wtw
god mode
infinite TP(this pic is hard to take really but some of them could show it)
infinite HP(this pic is hard to take really but some of them could show it)
1 hit KO (this pic is hard to take really but some of them could show it)

the players could hide them for a while posting perfect pics showing they are playing legit, but after some time they will make a mistake, that will happen sooner or later, and is there where we can say "this guy hacks", is just a matter to analize the pics carefully.

ARELH · **Posted:** Fri Sep 14, 2012 10:31 pm

this is what i answered to 500ryu.

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Im honestly tired of that gruop that are dedicated to troll, hate or attack to others, i gave the order to permaban people that were banned before and have a registred record about it (idc if everyone hates me), this mean, at the second ban then the account is permanently suspended, between warningns and bannnings given in the forums (if the people owns a forum account) plus the warnings and banings given in the server, everyone should learn the leason and fix the conduct, however, nobody does that and they continue doing shit instead, why? because they simply abuse of the little tolerance that we give (in this case 1 month ban and the called last and second chance).

all that finished, if you are banned for 1 week the first time, you'll be unbanned having the called second chance, if the player persist on having a bad conduct during his second chance and is banned for a second time, then the suspension will be permanent.... sorry man, but or the people learn to fix their conduct or they will suffer a hard consequence because that also make us waqste our time being dealing with the same thing of the same troublemaker people everytime when we have others things to do.

about your things, these will not to be recovered, you lost them, revision accounts are banned and nobody of the GM'S can access to the accounts to recover items, it need to be necesarily trought crono, as you know, that is hard to get too, so your items can't be recovered after all.

we will work like that atm and see if the win the right to have another chance, let's take a rest of all of them for a while.

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another answer:

ARELH wrote:

500ryu wrote:

ARELH wrote:

500ryu wrote:

Revision was perm banned but before he was perma banned eve said he could play on another account
i let him borrow some things and then it was decided it was a perm ban so that 2nd account got banned also
he borrowed some things of mine and im wondering if it is possible that i can get them back

Also wondering why he is actually perm banned instead of a month ban or just fairly telling him it was his last chance

Im honestly tired of that gruop that are dedicated to troll, hate or attack to others, i gave the order to permaban people that were banned before and have a registred a record (idc if everyone hates me), this mean, at the second ban then the account is permanently suspended, between warningns and bannnings given in the forums (if the people owns a forum account) plus the warnings and banings given in the server, everyone should learn the leason and fix the conduct, however, nobody does that and they continue doing shit instead, why? because they simply abuse of the little tolerance that we give (in this case 1 month ban and the called last and second chance).

all that finished, if you are banned for 1 week the first time, you'll be unbanned having the called second chance, if the player persist on having a bad conduct during his second chance and is banned for a second time, then the suspension will be permanent.... sorry man, but or the people learn to fix their conduct or they will suffer a hard consequence because that also make us waqste our time being dealing with the same thing of the same troublemaker people everytime when we have others things to do.

about your things, these will not to be recovered, you lost them, revision accounts are banned and nobody of the GM'S can access to the accounts to recover items, it need to be necesarily trought crono, as you know, that is hard to get too, so your items can't be recovered after all.

well he wasnt warned of the 2nd chance being perm or anything so i think itd just be fair to give him a last chance as he was not just dedicated to troll as you say. He was most dedicated to TA and im sure if given the chance he wont even talk outside of the lobby. He gets one everyday and contrary to somes belief other common players of the server like him that get to know him. I understand where you are coming from but the troll and hate rivalry was childish on both sides concerining BoO and my team but in the end i believe revision should have been warned because even in the rules under 3.3 trolling isnt a thing deserving of permaban so how could he know? im saying this because well he was never told it was a last chance and the fact i know he would have his lesson learned because he has already experienced being banned. Other than trolling he has not done anything that has been really harmful to the server or anything for the most part he did just play with his team and enjoyed it. From what has happend now he has learned his lesson and maybe a 1 month ban if you wanna let it sink in but he wasnt really told he was on his last chance and he was not even trolling at the time of his ban he was just decided to be banned for accumulation. I dont think he was even on that team that was reported recently so it was rather random of a ban. He should atleast have known it was his last chance because other players have gotten away with multiple warns for trollings such alakaboom q etc

please dont misunderstand me i dont hate you or anything it was just kinda sudden that it happened without him even being aware of last chances or anything

EDIT: you also referred to a one month ban period in your reply: Revision never recieved a 1 month ban period just a 1 week

I'd also just like to let you know that we are not dedicated to troll or hate or anything although there are members who do it and members who are in there little rivalries with other teams. In my opinion most of it is childish although we also get trolled too and imo the server population is to low to be banning the regular players over things that are not harmful but can be fixed with the proper discipline. Although i am a part of the team i do think that the trolling from both sides of whatever teams are involved can get rather annoying but i dont think just permbanning people is a solution at all unless its the final measure. Itll just lead to more anger and hate and more of the dumb drama. I truthfully think if you just addressed the people involved and told them 1 more chance or you are gone from the server they would get the message but i don't think just banning someone will solve anything.

EDIT AGAIN: I don't think that my team just had hostility to everyone tbh. I think that because we TA we kinda get pinned in with the other past team that was hated for alot that they did. I am aware that they can troll but in the end they do mean well and have helped other players such as lich etc and i honestly do hope that just giving them another chance is considered because at this point we just wanna play the game as it doesnt have all that much life left to it we'd like to enjoy it while we can -_-

he was warned via forums too, there is not point for you and for nobody else who says that he never was warned or banned for 1 month, also we are not obligated to apply the "1 month ban" it is basically at our own discretion, but due to the actual circumstances, we will not apply the supension like that, i don't consider it, that and we will work like i told you before, does not matter if you guys like it or not.

i don't want to continue the discusion about this, is a waste of time, but if you want to make him company, i can ban you too or to any other player or friend that wanna play as his lawyer.

sorry again man, the things are done as i ordered, enough said.

ps: if you want more tolerance, learn to win these rights, then you can ask for what you think is a fair thing, otherwise, do not complain.

ps2: about your rivals, is your responsability to fix these fights wiith any team and be in good terms, if nobody can, then everyone involved will pay the consequences in the same way. we are not the "nanny" to be behind everyone fxing problems that yourself can fix by your own

ps3: stop the trolling and the drama with these stupid fights with the "rivals" and be in good terms with them, is not hard to do that.

Eve~ · **Posted:** Sat Sep 15, 2012 12:23 am

At the time Revision was banned, we hadn't decided whether or not the ban was to be extended to all his accounts nor had we determined the length. As such, when he asked me for how long, I said I didn't know yet (it's in the logs I provided on the first page). He asked me if he was allowed to play on another account, and at that time he was. If I had known then he was permabanned, I'd have banned him again on the spot...
Unfortunate about the items, but they should have waited a bit. "Dunno yet" = might want to wait until we do before borrowing stuff.

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i believe revision should have been warned because even in the rules under 3.3 trolling isnt a thing deserving of permaban so how could he know?

Pretty much admitting that they're trying to play around with the rules. *facepalm*

ARELH · **Posted:** Sat Sep 15, 2012 12:43 am

Eve~ wrote:

At the time Revision was banned, we hadn't decided whether or not the ban was to be extended to all his accounts nor had we determined the length. As such, when he asked me for how long, I said I didn't know yet (it's in the logs I provided on the first page). He asked me if he was allowed to play on another account, and at that time he was. If I had known then he was permabanned, I'd have banned him again on the spot...
Unfortunate about the items, but they should have waited a bit. "Dunno yet" = might want to wait until we do before borrowing stuff.

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i believe revision should have been warned because even in the rules under 3.3 trolling isnt a thing deserving of permaban so how could he know?

Pretty much admitting that they're trying to play around with the rules. *facepalm*

they take the rules for what is convenient, but when they causes problems, they jsut ignore the rules that they takes as deffense later.

he must stop with this with what i said, if he continues, lets give him a suspension too.

we need to put an end to this problem somehow.

Kamui S. · **Posted:** Sat Sep 15, 2012 11:43 am

I talked to Alukard via PM and he said he would leave MoO as soon as he gets online. I hope he means it.

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