More trolling from MA4B... or is it?

Eve~ · **Posted:** Wed Sep 12, 2012 3:08 pm

Iter sent me this PM earlier:

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Hello, I'm not sure how familiar you are with the nasty conflict that goes somewhat-hidden between the TA groups; I couldn't ignore however the fact that ma4b'ers are all over one of my teammates and claiming it was "brandon." Ma4b gets very aggressive with people who challenge their TA records, and we've been doing so for the last couple weeks or so, naturally, their cross-hairs has landed on us.

I just want to throw out there that, my team is definitely not playing with brandon (I don't think he even plays the game anymore). I'm assuming that ma4b's logic is that brandon is ban-on-sight (at least what crono told me) and that they can muck up my team's TA.

I'll scrounge around for in-game logs of them harassing other players for "being brandon" if it's useful but, it's really getting old; this is just a quick example of it (I was "brandon" for about two months earlier this year):

viewtopic.php?p=941980#p941980

I'm just writing this PM because I don't want to see Rem targetted over some ma4b-foulplay, we are all integral to beating ma4b's TA records, a loss of one member would be devastating to our team make-up.

Thanks for taking the time to read this, I'm sure your inbox is blowing up with all kinds of other stuff from the community but, this was significant enough for me to send a PM over.

Thanks for your time.

-Yes, logs would help.

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I'll go hunting for old log files; also there was a GM report I made to Miureth (months ago) about it when they were pulling this on my RAct "venerate", the report included several log files. Miureth's reply in the end was basically, "We're aware of it, don't worry about it, ma4b are just paranoid."

Which was fine for me, the only reason I had made the report to Miureth was to acknowledge the problem before there was some misunderstanding, so there is definitely some history of them trying to pull this on people; I'm not sure how far back your GM forums go but, there should be some stuff there from me too.

Anyhow, I'll get back to you when I have something worthy. Thanks.

I found an old player in-game I often play with and asked him if he knew who Brandon was:

Original:

Spoiler: show

Translated:

Spoiler: show

Sylph told me, via mails a day ago, that Brandon was still playing and trying to beat the RoW records. I'll try to contact him and find out what his name currently is. Sounds to me like Iter might be trying to manipulate the staff, again...

Eve~ · **Posted:** Thu Sep 13, 2012 7:09 pm

Some more:

iter wrote:

Eve~ wrote:

Noted and added.

I'm interested in knowing who Rem. actually is. Care to enlighten me?

Long story short, rainbow was released and had an enormous impact on TA ability. The new "gods" of TA, ma4b, proceeded to beat many of the older times, leaving no respect for the player's accomplishments from years ago, and rather than at least giving a slight nod towards "thanks rainbow," went ahead and degraded a lot of the older players in that they merely lacked skill.

For the last several months or so, I've been trying to get people back together again (people like Joey, Dyne and Rem), so we can beat their records (drama free ofc!) but, at least post times and try to do people like Joey, Noodle, Grifter and a lot of the older players that were passionate about TA, some justice.

Rem. I know as "Steven," (irl) he's a much older player I met a couple years ago when he returned for fiasco in 2010; he's basically come back to help us in our TA efforts; I know he also plays a FOnl named Akemi, HUmr named Maverick and a RAcl I forgot the name of. He is certainly not "brandon," we're merely a tight TA team trying to put up new records, and the accusations of being a "ban-on-sight" member is the byproduct of ma4b aggression at us challenging their "skill."

Honestly, I wish the drama would just stop (lol), it can be a stresser when loosing just one member of our team could break our TA attempts. I felt it was necessary to add on a bit to your question about Rem to explain this apparently unprovoked aggression from DGM and co. We may get competitive about game-play and technique (that's why the TA thread is here) but, we're far from what "ma4b" is.

Ciao,

I have yet to get a response from Sylph, but I have more from Kosmix/TaOpaipai (a friend who lives not too far away from Sylph):

Spoiler: show

>__>

MIURETH · **Posted:** Fri Sep 14, 2012 5:02 pm

there is so much paranoia around that topic just because X person hates to the Z person or because of the team wars, the says this, the other says that... the players are trying to put in trouble to their enemies to get them banned.

to be honest, if there are things that are out of our hand to fix, then is responsability of the players themselves to do it (i.e team wars), in the other hand, if someone pretend to put an end to all this with solid bases.... then we should share an entire day to analize each thing posted in that topic to see who can be punished, this is if we accept all that extra work.

n the easy way, i can just lock the topics with content like this (i.e TA topic) and kill them forever.

MIURETH · **Posted:** Sat Sep 15, 2012 9:59 am

sorry for the double post, i just locked for good the TA topic, it just gives tons of problems because the people is never under discipline.. witch hunting, trolling etc.

Eve~ · **Posted:** Sat Sep 15, 2012 11:33 am

Good, that'll put an end to some of the drama.

Kamui S. · **Posted:** Sat Sep 15, 2012 11:40 am

*thumbs up*

Cranberry · **Posted:** Sat Sep 15, 2012 11:43 am

I've been in favor of killing off the TA topic for a while. It's caused way more trouble than it's worth and saddly they've proven they can't handle it.

Eve~ · **Posted:** Sun Sep 16, 2012 1:08 pm

And some more:

iter wrote:

Hey, I'm writing this to you more personally than anything. I'm not really familiar with people in the staff anymore and Crono is barely active. This came as a shock to a lot of players yesterday as we found the TA Topic locked:

MIURETH wrote:

sorry but i killed the topic for good, the excesive drama, trolling and witch hunting over there was a shame.

is clear that the users can't handle it without be out of discipline.

it had some chances, if i remember correctly, i gave it two, since the topic can't be civil and clean of drama, i locked it permanently and wont return.

This was my reply to her, I tried to be as civil as possible and explain the significance of her action; my question for you is at the bottom of that wall of text if you actually read it, lol.

iter wrote:

Thank you for responding, I respect your moderation and wisdom about this topic.

I agree, it takes a mature user to run that thread (or a mod, I wish Shadow_FIX was still around ><), I also understand it can be a burden on moderators when there is drama. Time Attack can be so competitive that many players get so emotionally passionate about the competition that drama can happen. I can say that for times submitted in the past, it has taken that team weeks to accomplish it, and it can be very unnerving if that time is beaten, all of a players hard-work lost, and back into planning.

Time-attack is almost a game-mode in itself, similar to Challenge Mode or Battle Mode and the possibility to maintain Time Attack is impossible now without a topic, and has basically removed it from the game completely atm. For a lot of players, this is the only reason they play the game, to compete, form strategy with their team and post a video for their success after hard work!

What I saw recently in the TA thread were only a small-handful of players making 99% of the drama. I hope you understand I respect your decision but, also from my perspective these individual players were not dealt with and instead the whole TA community now has to suffer with the removal of Time Attack from the server. Jpn, BR, UK, USA players and teams now have no way to keep track of records. In my opinion the individuals causing the problems should have been dealt with sooner and more harshly. <-- but also understand I don't have insight into the community moderation, so it's only my perspective.

I have always respected Lee's 1st post in that topic:
http://schtserv.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=713066#p713066

Lee wrote:

This is a clear warning, if anyone starts any drama, hit the report button and ignore their post(s), responding and provoking it further will result in action being taken against you too. I am sick of this crap, now play nice fgts.

I have always reported a trolling/off-topic post as soon as it appears but instead, now the entire TA community is now removed, all of the players with only interest in showing their accomplishments have no where to go because of a small handful of players imo.

I want to ask you a couple things if possible:

Perhaps in a couple months, can it be put under review again to make a new topic possibly? The other idea I have is keeping a locked sticky for Time Attack, in which the videos and information for that run is PM'd to a user who runs the locked sticky who can then update i.e. it would be very simple for the locked-sticky owner to update the code for the first post and simply copy/paste into the first post, and you remove the possibility for drama in that topic because it is locked while still keeping records on display.

I hope I don't write too much; I only have a serious response to this decision because I am similar to a good amount of other players in that we do not play the game for much else other than Time Attack normal mode for competition. If there is no possibility for a good solution, I am most likely done on this server and includes other players as well (I only tell you this as a example because I enjoy TA a lot with my friends, and so do many others); it is a bit disturbing to have this type of game-play now gone from the server.

I am very reasonable, if you like to try and figure a solution I would like to discuss it.

Thanks for taking the time to read.

iter~

I'm just trying to find solutions to keep normal-mode TA alive on the server but, in a way that works best for the players and staff. I'm just looking for support and I'm curious if you would have any interest in advocating for my idea, offering new ideas/solutions or just supporting what I replied to Miureth. I don't see why the entire TA community must be punished over a small group of players actions and Alukard's joking reference to suicide (I think that's what really sparked the lock, lol). It would be ideal to see the TA records still hosted on Schthack forums; I'm curious if that last solution would work at all and if there's a mod that would be willing to take the responsibility of managing the locked sticky (if it's even a possibility). The code for the records thread is long and specific, I would be around to manage it offsite and send OP the code to update the thread weekly (or something like that, if needed).

I'll be around, le' sigh. :wacko:

My response:

Eve~ wrote:

What do you want me to say? TA community is at the center of most of the drama on the server. Too much time has been spent trying to get their shit in order, and far too many chances were given. As such, the FMs have decided to put the TA thread to rest. You're more than welcome to make a forum where people can post their records and such, but as far as I know (and care), we're done with having to babysit the TAers.

The "game-play" is not gone from the server just because we're not dealing with the records anymore. If you wish to leave because a thread was locked, then so be it. "Do what I want or I'm leaving with my marbles" isn't really enough to make us change our minds. It wasn't Alukard's joke, but rather a culmination of tiny issues all over the place/witchhunting/drama/name it that made it clear the simplest solution was to lock the topic.

Miu knows about your ideas, and as it's a forum issue, the FMs will be the ones making the decision. Personally, I never saw the point in a TA thread where only times were posted. Why not put up your equips, as well? How can you judge who's better when people aren't even on the same level when it comes down to equipment? Between records made with donation items, hacks, and regular items, it seems pointless to even bother posting. Anyway, just my thought on the matter.

On a sidenote, as far as timely and harsh punishment goes (and concerning the other PMs you've sent me), I hope for your sake that Rem really isn't Brandon, and that it's actually Brandon who's spreading rumors, though I don't really see why he would.
As far as we know, users that aren't involved in the conflict, who happen to hate MA4B/DGM/etc and are in contact with Brandon, are even saying the same thing as DGM and the others.
We don't enjoy it when people try to manipulate us. We didn't take it from DGM and, as far as we're concerned, you have just about the same level of credibility as he does, given the reports you've made in the past and your history on the server. Just a head's up, anyway, but it needed to be said.

EDIT:

iter wrote:

Thanks for taking the time to reply, I appreciate it. It looks like I'll just setup a domain off-site if that's going to work well. I went ahead and answered some of your questions below, although I think they're more of your standpoint than questions, nonetheless I respect your stance.

I'll probably do this, I can get an addon domain for my host and have a nice URL that matches schthack, I have interest though in the playerbase having access to it, if it can't be linked somewhere on the forums I'll probably can the idea, lol.

Appreciate it, it leaves some closure at least. I didn't really have much insight into this, it seemed sudden from my perspective but, I don't have a perspective through the moderators eyes, I'm sure this shit gets old fast for you guys. I know the "Do what I want or I'm leaving with my marbles" reference seemed selfish from my standpoint, I was trying to make an example that a lot of players are passionate about this type of gameplay, and not otherwise, maybe it came out wrong.

It's pretty irrelevent at this point but, I thought I'd comment anyways. Officially there's no donation equipment allowed in TA, and ofc "hacks" are neither. There is an unspoken rule that nothing over 50hit can be used, although it's not officially stated (this is mostly true post 2009). In a lot of the runs we've been working on lately, we do show equips at the end of runs. It's fruitless to comment but, you left a question in the air.
Regardless, thanks again for your response!

moi wrote:

First, if it's worth the time typing, it's worth the time replying.

As for sharing the link, you can always ask Miu if you'd be allowed to use it as a sig or if it could be added to the locked topic's first post.

Just think about all the shit you've had to report, and tell yourself "tip of the iceberg".

Good to know some people are actually interested in both being competitive and being honest about their efforts.

As for the rest, well, it's up to the FMs.

MIURETH · **Posted:** Sun Sep 16, 2012 6:39 pm

i gave this response to Iter:

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i can´t tell you yes or no or if it is a good or bad idea, in all honesty what we do not want is any kind of drama or abusing by part of the people over that theme just because they want to get banned to their team rivals then tons of witch hinting appearse, you know, that was the main problem with the topic.

in others words, that problem could continue because these trolls will take information from there to continue with the problems, does not matter if it is not inside the schtserv forums.

me in your place, i just drop it, the people can't handle it.

lets cut with this theme, the TA topic wont return, at least over our domain that is schtserv and the forums, if they want to do it out of here, that will be their problem, i justi think that we all in the staff do not want more dramatic reports because of that anymore

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