DGM and 9898

Eve~ · **Posted:** Mon Aug 20, 2012 11:25 pm

DGM - 22681845 - dgm9
9898 - 22742092 - 9898

/bangc#

Reason: continuing the trolling of Zynetic and making false accusations.

Duration: a week, unless they continue or someone higher up decides otherwise

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Of course, he PMed me on the forums:

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ARELH · **Posted:** Mon Aug 20, 2012 11:49 pm

the proof given is not solid and in every report they even said that they were not sure of the things, so that is not proof but a report with assumptions, crono specially was dealing with zyn and he found nothing, i will admmit, was undercovered following zyn and i saw nothing out of ther normal, at least for now.

where is their proof?

because what they gave is not solid.

they should stfu until they can can send a report with good evidence and not only assumptions.

Eve~ · **Posted:** Tue Aug 21, 2012 12:18 am

ARELH wrote:

the proof given is not solid and in every report they even said that they were not sure of the things, so that is not proof but a report with assumptions, crono specially was dealing with zyn and he found nothing, i will admmit, was undercovered following zyn and i saw nothing out of ther normal, at least for now.

where is their proof?

because what they gave is not solid.

they should stfu until they can can send a report with good evidence and not only assumptions.

More of the same usual crap, really. People trying to get people banned or hated. Like I told him in the PM, I should have banned him before for it. I fully expect Alukard and the others to kick up a fuss over it in the lobbies or complain to Crono that I'm abusing my power by following the rules and doing what should have been done before. And if Zynetic is doing the same thing, he'll get a week off as well.

chrishnyc · **Posted:** Tue Aug 21, 2012 5:36 am

O.o how in the world are you abusing your power?

Also, what friend is DGM speaking of exactly lol?

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Sienna wrote:
Incidentally, I do not think you should abuse your power like this just to help your friends. You can ban whatever accounts I have, I don't care. But have valid reasons to do it, not just out of spite and to help your friends.

You did the right thing Eve~, they cannot report you to anyone. If they don't have solid evidence and they are not willing to give solid evidence they cannot make any accusations to Zynetic. What they did was against the rules, they are trolling someone and harassing them. This puts someone who was banned before in an uncomfortable situation which they hate. Cool find, they can take a week off from trolling, since they all have other accounts to go on anyways.

Also, I was spying on Zynetic also, meaning I know which lobbies he goes too, I didn't find anything suspicious he said or done, so far. I've been monitoring a bit of his games such as the times he takes in games, the way he speaks to people. What he says, etc. Because for what I know he is trying to make a record in ma4c episode 1 as 2 people.

I will also check out the video to see how he plays. As for 9898 and DGM, they have other accounts I will see what they have to say in the lobby also or in the game.

MIURETH · **Posted:** Tue Aug 21, 2012 8:35 pm

1.- about reporting you...

im glad to know that everyone reads the updates of the rules lol (sarcasm), they really did not read them ):

first of... complaints about problems between player and GM.. meaning reporting to a GM, can be also be sent to arelh, he'll check the situation and decide what to do, of course, after inform crono and Lee.

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6 - Game Moderators (GM)

6.1 - If you believe a Game Moderator is abusing their granted power, contact Crono or Lee or to the Chief GM: ARELH with your reasoning. It is up to the Administrators and the Chief GM whether or not action will be taken, and if it is not, don't go complaining anymore or you risk removal of your own account. If you have ANY issue with a GM or Forum Moderator, PM the Administrators about it, with specs on what they did wrong, etc. Do not post publicly.

2.- about this case...

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But have valid reasons to do it

that does not mean that they can make their own law and put order by their own hand by using the flaming and trolling. we can't allow this.

if he really have valid reasons, then he must express these valid reason providing sustentable evidence, without it, like arelh said, are just assumptions and trash at the end.

3.- your actions

you are not doing anything wrong and you are not either abusing of your power, they were warned before and they already knew the consequences if they continue with this matter, now they are just paying it.

don't let them threaten or scare you.

Eve~ · **Posted:** Tue Aug 21, 2012 9:26 pm

MIURETH wrote:

don't let them threaten or scare you.

Personally, I don't mind if they insult me and all that, but I won't accept them threatening or intimidating other players. Thanks for the input~

MIURETH · **Posted:** Tue Aug 21, 2012 9:32 pm

DGM says that.

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No one said that. That was me and I said something completely different. What I said was that his friend, sam6555, and him used to cheat on E.den. The skype logs I provided before (http://sadpanda.us/images/1163586-QFY5ZMQ.png and http://sadpanda.us/images/1163587-NB9ELQC.png) clearly refer to Scthserv.

Also, no conditions were met for the ban we received, yet Eve immediately banned us without even saying anything:

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3.2 - You are banned for a week, if infringing the offenses stated below:
- Stealing players (scamming); Example: asking for Drop Trade and not being honest.
- Caught with old hacks that corrupted your character: (Material overuse, Grantz or High tech Levels on Non-FOrce characters).
- Being kicked enough to earn a ban.

I know you were somehow trying to teach us a lesson, but that's the wrong way to do it. Because they impersonated us, which is a far worse offense, and yet nothing happened to them. Not even a short ban. If you're going to apply justice, apply it to everyone. It's ridiculous how making fun of a player is a bannable offense, yet impersonation isn't.

I might be sending you additional proof soon, possibly still today. We'll see. If screenshots of in-game logs aren't enough, then I don't know what is.

Eve~ · **Posted:** Tue Aug 21, 2012 9:52 pm

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No one said that. That was me and I said something completely different. What I said was that his friend, sam6555, and him used to cheat on E.den. The skype logs I provided before (http://sadpanda.us/images/1163586-QFY5ZMQ.png and http://sadpanda.us/images/1163587-NB9ELQC.png) clearly refer to Scthserv.

Logs are easily edited and evidence can be faked, too.

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Also, no conditions were met for the ban we received, yet Eve immediately banned us without even saying anything:

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3.2 - You are banned for a week, if infringing the offenses stated below:
- Stealing players (scamming); Example: asking for Drop Trade and not being honest.
- Caught with old hacks that corrupted your character: (Material overuse, Grantz or High tech Levels on Non-FOrce characters).
- Being kicked enough to earn a ban.

2.1 - Do not flame or troll other players. Doing it will earn you either a kick or a mute (depending of the GM discretion). Persisting on it will earn you a 1 week ban.

They were banned for insisting on trolling and making accusations without valid proof. They have been warned before, yet didn't pay attention to it. I should also point out the racial remarks DGM keeps making, or that I should have banned him the day before for what he said on his DMX account.

Logs can always be faked, and if we were to start believing what everyone says, the server would be empty. If they have issues with other players, they should report it to a GM immediately so we can witness and intervene.

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I know you were somehow trying to teach us a lesson, but that's the wrong way to do it. Because they impersonated us, which is a far worse offense, and yet nothing happened to them. Not even a short ban. If you're going to apply justice, apply it to everyone. It's ridiculous how making fun of a player is a bannable offense, yet impersonation isn't.

Warning over warning over reports that lead nowhere, so I don't think they'll ever learn. As for Zynetic, as I said before, if I catch him doing something similar, he will be dealt with as well.

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I might be sending you additional proof soon, possibly still today. We'll see. If screenshots of in-game logs aren't enough, then I don't know what is.

If he has proof, he should have it now. It doesn't take hours to upload images/copy-paste some text...

ARELH · **Posted:** Tue Aug 21, 2012 10:58 pm

they no need to bother zyn while collecting info about him hacking, is obvious that if they trolls zyn, he will troll them back.

bs...

they stop or they will be banned, under so many warnings and previous bans, this is good applicable.

enough said.

chrishnyc · **Posted:** Sun Aug 26, 2012 7:24 am

I guess they will be unbanned on August 28th. One thing though, if you keep on getting banned and banned and banned. Just for trolling and such. Can we permanently ban their account after, like after 3 bans? Or do we have to unban them?

Like can we update the rule and say. Even if you are trolling and you get banned for a week. If you get banned for a week 3 times, they will permanently ban your account and you cannot get unban. (This will automatically teach them to think twice and they will have to go on their other account or make new accounts)

I mean if we threaten to actually permanently ban their account, especially their TA account forever they will think twice and we can prevent this from happening.

Suggestion, guys? :unsure:

MIURETH · **Posted:** Sun Aug 26, 2012 3:39 pm

actually after the 1 week ban in a person, if he is banned a second time, we consider the possibiliy of permaban him or give a long period of ban instead, depends of the situation and of the GM discretion.

i think this method has been the best way to deal with people like them and put them in discipline if possible, telling them that if they are banned 3 times they will lose the account is like basically say "you have 3 chances to troll" and then they could abuse of this statement in the rule.

lets keep the rules and work as is stated now in my opinion, i don't think necesary a change over them.

these guys were banned a lot of times in the forums where you basically has 10 chances, the things there are different compared to the rules for the server where the things are applicable in other way, they have only 1 ban of the server and was for 1 week, then next ban just in case they persist could be permanent.

(i don't remember if 9898 was banned before)

chrishnyc · **Posted:** Sun Aug 26, 2012 3:52 pm

9898 was banned before off the forums for a month he admitted it. He might of been banned off the server also. Another thing, did you see the fight between:

Also did you recently see the drama with Brandon and Aziz trolling them
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKoFNPW3RV0

Eve~ · **Posted:** Sun Aug 26, 2012 6:13 pm

We don't moderate Youtube, and there's enough to do on the forums/server as it is. If they want to take shots at each other by using another site, that's their problem.

chrishnyc · **Posted:** Sun Aug 26, 2012 6:15 pm

Eve~ wrote:

We don't moderate Youtube, and there's enough to do on the forums/server as it is. If they want to take shots at each other by using another site, that's their problem.

we actually do moderate youtube. We GM's see if their is any drama going outside of PSOBB, or if their are any hacked PSOBB videos. Lol that is why the Psobb video thread was closed. Forum Mods don't monitor hacks, GM's do. Same goes with trolling and talking about hacks

Eve~ · **Posted:** Sun Aug 26, 2012 6:47 pm

The vid thread was closed over witchhunting and pointless drama due to a Cmode glitch.

FMs might not investigate accounts, but they are an important part of the regulation mechanism, as such, yes, they can take action when hacks are mentioned or trolling happens on the forums. In-game, they do let us know when they come across such things, as well.

We don't moderate drama outside of this server, but we can and should pay attention or use videos that seem to indicate people might be hacking.

I reiterate, if they want to annoy each other on other sites but don't actually make reports about it to us, which is what they should do, then it seems to me it's not worth the time investigating. If people were actually concerned about it, they would simply let us know, not engage into shouting matches in youtube comments.

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